Thursday, February 26, 2015

Reverencing Herbert Armstrong Above Jesus



Excellent comment on why the COG's continue to place Herbert Armstrong and other church leaders on pedestals higher than the Jesus Christ they claim to follow.

So far as Herb goes, "they" revere him as much as we revile him. As the central figure of his own personality cult, transformed into "God's endtime apostle", he was more at the forefront of our belief system than Jesus himself. In fact, HWA very subliminally played down Jesus by stating on many occasions that somehow, throughout history, the gospel had become changed, so that it became about the person of Jesus, rather than the gospel that Jesus preached himself about the Kingdom of God. He claimed to have reverted to the original gospel, teaching what Jesus himself had taught. But then, HWA wasn't above inserting himself into his message, writing his own self-aggrandizing autobiography, using the PT as his own collection of photo-ops, etc.

If we were to survey splinter members, and if they were to be honest, we'd learn that the broad majority regards the current crop of leaders simply as temporary substitutes for HWA, agents of maintenance to the faith. . Nothing particularly special or noteworthy about them at all. They eagerly anticipate that HWA will return with Jesus Christ, and will lead them into the Kingdom, with maybe a wink or nod or an "attaboy" for their splinter leader. They tolerate these substitutes, and their antics, because of their belief in church government, and the fear this produces in their lives.

The rest of us realize that we probably never will completely rid ourselves of the many warping effects of Armstrongism in this lifetime. So, yeah. You're not going to see that damnable name disappear any time soon. Both sides have a reason for its continuing presence in our lexicon.

BB

Herbert Armstrong Exposed Himself As A False Prophet





"I wanna tell you that all this weather disturbance means that terrible famine is coming on the United States that is going to RUIN US as a nation inside less than 20 more years.

Alright I stuck my neck out, right there. You just wait 20 years and see whether I told you the truth.

God says, if a man tells you what's going to happen, wait and see. If it doesn't happen he was not speaking the word of god; he was speaking out of his own mind.

You watch and see whether these things happen.

You'll see who's speaking to you, my friends."

Wednesday, February 25, 2015

"Gerald Flurry, Fred Dattolo, Tim Oostendarp, Cal Culpepper, Eric Anderson, Jim Cocomise and John Chandler. I hold you responsible for the death of my daughter Janet De Gennaro."



Exit and Support has a gut wrenching letter from the father of Janet De Gennaro: An Open Letter to Gerald Flurry and the PCG Ministers.


Gerald Flurry, Fred Dattolo, Tim Oostendarp, Cal Culpepper, Eric Anderson, Jim Cocomise and John Chandler.

I hold you responsible for the death of my daughter Janet De Gennaro.

Not one of you took on the responsibility to care and guide my daughter's spiritual, emotional and mental stability. Instead, you forced her to have No-Contact with her family. She was full of life and joy during the many years she lived with us until she was ordered to "get out of that house" by Fred Dattolo.

What was the quality of the counseling my daughter and David Privratsky received from Cal Culpepper and other ministers? Were these men qualified to give spiritual and physical marriage counseling? Have any of them received the necessary training?

My daughter and David Privratsky were counseling for two whole years before their marriage was approved. With seven ministers counseling them, we can only imagine the unbearable stress that was placed upon them. Did any of these ministers consider the emotional stress Janet would experience living in a new country, in a small, secluded town, where she knew no one? This stress was compounded by Gerald Flurry's No-Contact policy, which meant she could not talk to her parents or brother.

Did the ministers encourage David Privratsky to be aware of Janet's mental and emotional state as a result of moving to a completely different environment, while at the same time being cut off from her family?

Cal Culpepper was the main marriage counselor. We now know he made threats to call off the marriage if she had any contact with her family. He made her life miserable with no regard for the mental stress he was putting her under. He, and Eric Anderson, even questioned her obedience to "That Prophet" with more threats of calling off the marriage if she did not comply with the harsh, PCG-enforced No-Contact policy

My wife and I became very concerned for Janet when we saw her wedding pictures and realized how much weight she had lost. Her face was thin and her smile was only partial. Only a close family member would know that. We tried to communicate with her many times, but as she was under strict instructions, we received no response.

It wasn't until after Janet's death that, for the first time, we were finally able to meet David Privratsky and his mother. We learned that he forbade Janet from speaking to us due to Gerald Flurry's No-Contact policy. He also admitted that he didn't know how to handle Janet's anxiety. He handed us some notes that she had written to explain what was going on in her mind and how you, collectively, twisted her perspective:
"I need to do that which is right in God's sight and put God first. And that means No-Contact with my family, which is fine. They have to know that I've put God first in my life and that they need to do the same. I love my family and I don't talk to them out of love as God commands."
It breaks my heart to realize my daughter was deceived by you into believing she was obeying God. She was led by ministers who are blind. You departed from the Word of God, which instructs children to honor their parents and relied on Gerald Flurry's evil edict to strike fear into the trusting people of God.

What is the fruit of the PCG? We attended this organization for about fourteen years. You are a false prophet, Gerald Flurry, preaching constantly about outsiders plotting to "attack us." The real truth that our family experienced was that the attack came from within by none other than Gerald Flurry and his terrorist ministers.

God is against you! God requires His ministers to serve His people with love and mercy. Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34 make it plain that God is against false prophets and ministers. You should read these chapters and apply the verses to yourselves.
Woe be to the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture, saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; You have scattered my flock, and driven them away and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of our doing, said the LORD. -Jeremiah 23:1,2
The diseased have you not strengthened, neither have you healed that which was sick, neither have you bound up that which was broken, neither have you brought again that which was driven away, neither have you sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have you ruled them. -Ezekiel 34:4

Did Christ apply the PCG No-Contact Policy?

The scriptures are clear that Christ's brothers did not believe He was the Son of God. Did Christ cut off His physical family? The answer is absolutely not! Why? Two of His brothers, James and Jude became Apostles of Christ. Christ must have had close family relations for them to come to the understanding that Jesus was, in fact, the Son of God.

A Warning for PCG!

There is a just, living, Almighty God who knows every thought of man. God who fights for us will take righteous judgment against the PCG, Gerald Flurry and the rest of you!
Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. -Exodus 34:7
God promises He will take vengeance for Janet against Gerald Flurry, his children and his children's children, unto the third and fourth generation (including the ministers mentioned at the beginning of this letter: Fred Dattolo, Tim Oostendarp, Cal Culpepper, Eric Anderson, Jim Cocomise and John Chandler.

You all caused so much pain and terror that Janet was stripped of her moral compass and dignity. You pushed her to the point that she saw no other way out but to take her own life.

Janet was crying for help. She needed us. Only her family could have given her the love, support and encouragement she sought so much, but it was denied because of your evil policy. You have robbed us of so much joy and happiness. We will never see our daughter flourishing as a young wife. We will never see her as a young mother. We will never see her children. 

You have robbed us; nevertheless, as the scriptures exhort us, we leave you in God's hands.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. -Romans 12:19
By Dan De Gennaro
February 23, 2015


Restored Church of God's Jeffery Ambrose Sends Letter to Members Telling Them to Evangelize Passover Dave's 130 Point Sermon to the Lost Sheep in Splinter Groups




Below are excerpts from the Restored Church of God's letter tot eh membership after David Passover Pack's superfantabulous sermon that contained 130 "points" on why he is so much more magnificent than that Jesus Christ dude.

If you thought propaganda that the government uses to whitewash things over was mind-boggling, then get a load of this RCG's propaganda.

They start the letter off proclaiming that the RCG has been "galvanized" around the entire world with "enthusiastic agreement" with every single fact that Passover Dave presented.  Not one person in the entire world that is part of RCG had any doubts or questions.  Somehow Armstrongites always gloss over the fact that lying is part of the commandments they claim to uphold.  Jeffery Ambrose is a liar.



Dear brethren,

Greetings from Headquarters! We hope that your week has been as profitable as has been ours.

We are very happy and inspired to report that this past Sabbath’s sermon series has truly galvanized the whole Church around the world in a unique way. There has been an outpouring—by email, phone and word-of-mouth—of enthusiastic agreement, unified understanding and excitement. And to our knowledge, and to the dismay of our detractors, no one has left the Church due to an inability to accept the new understanding we have learned together!

This dynamic was described by Mr. Pack in an announcement posted last night for those in the splinters, along with the sermon series itself:

I have given a three-part sermon series unlike anything The Restored Church of God has posted. Titled “First a MOSES, Now ELIJAH—130 Proofs!”, it explains monumental prophecies with crystal clarity. It carries far-reaching implications for former members of the Worldwide Church of God and others in its offshoots.

These messages will not even be close to what you expect, nor what angry enemies will report about them. Do not “answer the matter before you hear it” (Prov. 18:13). After 15 minutes, you will not want to stop. And don’t let your minister stop you. He cannot give you eternal life!

 Among the most important prophecies in Scripture, Malachi 4:5-6 states that without the end-time Elijah’s arrival, God would “smite the earth with utter destruction”! Thousands with a Church background are waiting for Elijah (Matt. 17:11), believing this man to be one of the Two Witnesses (Rev. 11:3). Scripture makes clear this theory is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. But, if Herbert W. Armstrong was not the Elijah, who was he? The answer is crucial in ways only the sermon can show you, and must be understood before God reunifies His people.

 These are the most important messages I have ever given. Hundreds in The Restored Church of God have commented in just the last two days like this: “electrifying,” “exhilarating,” “amazing,” “gripping,” “game-changing,” “awesome,” “captivating,” “overwhelming,” “tremendously inspiring,” “profound,” “mind-blowing” and “emphatically irrefutable.” Great numbers said they understood the message in less than 10 proofs. Few even needed the LAST 100 PROOFS! And no one—NONE!—to our knowledge out of thousands who heard has disagreed, and we have heard from virtually every pastorate in the world!
Passover Dave somehow feels that his message is going to rip the other COG's asunder with the vast majority flocking to Passover Dave's gated cult compound.  The only thing I have seen on multiple sites run by the more conservative COG folk is derision directed towards Passover Dave. He is mocked and ridiculed.

These messages will eventually divide the splinters and slivers down the middle. There are two kinds of people. Those driven by EMOTION—and those led by the Holy Spirit who are driven by SCRIPTURE, TRUTH, FACTS, EVIDENCE, PROOF and SIMPLE LOGIC. Perhaps half the people you meet with will agree, and the other half will attack. THERE IS NO AVOIDING THIS. But, to reject their message, one must reject a host of IMPOSSIBLE TO MISUNDERSTAND Scriptures!

Listen to these sermons—and tell others about them. While the understanding they bring cannot be forced on unwilling minds, all should have opportunity to prove for themselves.

Visit this page regularly for more unprecedented postings and news! An important follow-up sermon will be posted on another subject in four to seven days.

You are receiving this special update because you previously ordered our Splinter Explanation Packet, which is for those with a background in the Worldwide Church of God and/or its offshoots.
Passover Dave now exhorts his dwindling membership to "evangelize" his "powerful" sermon to their friends and family members in other COG's.


A VERY IMPORTANT note, brethren: As you see above, Mr. Pack urged those who listen to the sermons to “tell others about them.” This also applies to us! We can have a part in helping reach those who need to hear these messages. Our goal is to make them known to as many as possible as soon as possible.
 Much like our goal is to expose the nitwits for the morons they truly are.

Passover Dave wants to make sure that his dwindling flock does not get too aggressive though. aggression will turn people off and cause them to look deeper in his comments causing them to realize what a liar he is.

However, we must be both wise and harmless in how we do this (Matt. 10:16). None of us should embark on a “crusade” to indict those in the splinters or “shake them awake.” That is Jesus Christ’s responsibility!

Passover Dave does not want his message going out to the unconverted riff-raff because it will alienate them to his message.

Understand that we must not speak or write to those outside the Church in the same way that we would fellow members of The Restored Church of God. This will alienate those we intend to help. Also, we cannot “shove the sermons down their throats.”

 To mention this sermon series in a positive, non-confrontational and natural way will have the greatest chance of success at helping our separated brethren.

 Also, as you do this, you will likely get some backlash. The messages are now being released among a large, fragmented group of people. The truth they contain will, as Mr. Pack mentions above, sunder those of two different minds.

Knowing that his members will get attacked for promoting Passover Dave's absurdities, he warns them to rejoice in their persecution.

Mr. Pack has described the sermons as his “introducing himself” to those in the splinters. As with any introduction, some will be ready to extend the right hand of fellowship (Gal. 2:9), others will not. If you strive to be diplomatic and edifying in making people aware—and you still get attacked—do not be discouraged, but rather rejoice (Matt. 5:10-12). It will be a sobering but instructive experience. And keep in mind that some who may initially be in disagreement, or even angry, will “come around” in time as they and others around them see the obvious proof of both Mr. Pack’s and Mr. Armstrong’s roles.
Finally, please do not apply this instruction to all of our materials—it is specific to this sermon series—and be especially careful with anything you post to social media, as any unwise or indiscreet words in that forum can travel fast and do much damage. Approach this opportunity carefully and prayerfully, and we can look forward to fruit borne as a result.
We anticipate thrilling, and (again) truly “game-changing” times ahead. Let’s do what we can to help these crucial messages spread around the globe!

 As always, you will be in our prayers.
In Christ’s service,
Jeffrey R. Ambrose
The only thing I see appropriate to conclude Ambrose silliness is the following quote from The Message Bible.  It's always about Passover Dave and never about Jesus Christ.  They know him not.

He was in the world, the world was there through him, and yet the world didn’t even notice. He came to his own people, but they didn’t want him. John 1:11